Short Men

I recently watched, with horrified amusement, a tv program about short men who choose to undergo excruciatingly painful surgical procedures (which basically involve breaking their legs and then keeping the bones slightly apart while they mend) in order to become a few inches taller.

Asked why they would choose to undergo such a drastic, and excruciatingly painful, procedure, they said things like “Do you have any idea what it’s like to go through life as a short person? To sit in a chair and only your toes reach the floor, you can’t put your feet flat on the floor? To not be able to reach stuff on the upper shelves in grocery stores? To be unable to drive trucks because you can’t reach the pedals properly? To have people always looking down at you? Do you know what that’s like?”

Well, yes, actually I do. I’m a woman. And in case you haven’t noticed, we’re almost all shorter than almost all of you.

Which suggests that the real problem is that these poor guys can’t take their rightful place over women. As one man, 5’6” before the surgery, said, “I’ll be a better father and husband and son.” Yup. Sure you will.


18 Responses to “Short Men”

  1. joez Says:

    I am a 5’5 male and you know as well ass I do
    that women generally have an aversion toward short men.
    I agree with you that these surgical procedures are stupid,
    however you magically turned this into a male bashing oppurtunity!

    “Which suggests that the real problem is that these poor guys can’t take their rightful place over women”

    Maybe their real problem is that they cant take any women.
    Chances are you would never date a man who was very short but
    somehow you twist this thing into females being victims.
    The fact that women reject short men en masse is what drove these men
    to such extremes.

    I suppose any short man’s criticisms of your statemens will be written off bo you as a “little man syndrome” but I find yout attitude very insulting and exremely self centered.

  2. Peg Says:

    I’d write a similar piece of female bashing about women who get breast implants in order to become better mothers and wives or to stand out in a crowd better – or to get a man – but it’s already been done and done again.

  3. Peg Says:

    Joez – also, note that ‘getting a woman’ (or in your words, ‘taking a woman’) was not one of the reasons mentioned in my piece. and maybe I’m missing something – how does being taller than a woman make you a better husband and father? I’d really like to hear your answer.

  4. joez Says:

    Taking a woman was a strange typo, I meant getting.
    Most women simply will not date men wo are more than an inch or two
    below average height.

    “Which suggests that the real problem is that these poor guys can’t take their rightful place over women.”

    That is an absurd and condescending claim.
    Average height and tall men have less respect for short men
    if they have any at all and most women willrefuse to date short men.
    I don’t know why you interpret this gentleman’s actions
    as a desire to be taller than women. I would say most guys who wuold
    go to such extremes to become taller do so primarily because the vast majority of women wil not date short men.

    “Being taller than a woman”
    If women were willing to date short men, short men would not have
    such a problem with their height.

    Most women, short, tall, or average will not date short men but you are so caught up in your femnist victim role that you have to make it out to be about being taller than women.
    It blows my mind how women are generally such bitces and always cry victim. A woman cries out in pain as she punces you in the head.

  5. Ed Says:

    Gotta agree with Joez here. Women who live in western society are taught and trained to believe short men are inferior so it’s practically acceptable to denigrate short men. If I had a dime for every woman who disrespected me because of my height, I could almost afford this dangerous surgery. Short man syndrome is a cheap excuse by women to use against short men. The minute we stand up for ourselves against any kind of discrimination, we’re immediately seen as angry, aggresive and Napoleanic. Tall guys who stand up for themselves are fearless, sexy, heartthrobs. So with that being said, the playing field is very far from even and women’s liberation has greatly contributed to this cause. All of you strive for equality with men, but at the same time exclude a large population of us because we don’t stand 6’0 or more. I’d never go for that stupid leg lengthening surgery but I can understand why some guys do. If it means an ounce more respect and not to be stripped of ones manhood because of a lack of height, I understand. The breast implant argument is a very poor comeback and has nothing to do with the issue of height. More often women want bigger breasts and get implants because they compare themselves to other women who are more abundant. Getting bigger breasts won’t give you equal employment or social opportunities unless you’re a stripper or a porn star. Taller men get more respect immediately because this society puts tall and quality together.

  6. Peg Says:

    I agree that women who live in western society are taught and trained to believe short men are inferior. And they’re idiots not to question that.

    I would not call men who stand up against height discrimination angry, aggressive, or Napoleanic. I’m calling the ones who get the surgery in order to “become better husbands and fathers” (the words of the man getting the surgery, not me!) idiots. I still fail to see how being taller makes a man a better husband and father.

    I stand by my suggestion that being shorter than most men is as problematic for women as it is for short men, with regard to status in the world. If women were typically taller than men, I don’t believe the gender difference in power would be as it is today. The very tendency for men to want to be taller than the woman they date, and vice versa, coupled with the tendency on both sides to want the man to be the dominant one, supports this.

    The breast implant point is the same: in both cases people are getting stupid surgery in order to fit society’s definition of what a ‘real’ man/woman should be. Women think such surgery will increase their attractiveness to men, just as men think the lenthening surgery increases their attractiveness to women. And they are probably both right, to the extent they limit themselves to being attractive to stupid men and stupid women. Those are the ones who want a tall man and a chesty woman. And I think you’re wrong about the employment and social opportunity value of big boobs. Small-chested don’t get noticed as much, just as short men don’t.

  7. Adrianne Says:

    I’m a 5’6″ BBW & I’ve always had a special place in my heart for short men. It seems to me from my experience that the short men that I’ve met aren’t attracted to me for some reason; hmmmm, go figure.
    Just saying.

  8. Chris Says:

    Shorter American men, just find a way to leave America. There are better chances in other countries because the women are better minded. What America’s media is doing (brainwashing women) will eventually bite them in the butt. You see, by brushing so many good men aside, American women only have a small number of men to choose from. Here’s the “bust”… There are more women in America then males. What that means is, every “Pedestal Man” (tall guys) will have to have more than one woman, which brings cheating and using women into play. These women will compete for the “Pedestal Men” spreading their legs and dropping to their knees. A lot of these women will become pregnant as well. Even if the man multiple women are competing for decides to marry one, you still have all those other women who had babies from him because they were trying to win him over. Those women are now new single parent mothers. Guess what? It doesn’t stop there. Younger, finer women are growing up every year and they are all out there looking for “Pedestal Men” only. Which means, if the “Pedestal Man” dating pot is empty, these fine women now become what is known as the “Home Wreckers” and they will steal the married “Pedestal Men” away from their wives. Why do you think America’s divorce rate looks so bad? These “Pedestal Men” will have a hard time staying married because they get all the American women spreading their legs to them as soon as they walk into a room because of their height. Now this is where it gets worst for shorter men… It’s bad enough you will never find true love in America and will never smell a women’s scent, but you may also fall victim to a “Hand me down.” What is a “Hand me down” you say? That’s an America women who has now become too old to compete with the younger women for “Pedestal Men.” She is old, worn out and probably have multiple kids from different “Pedestal Men” and don’t forget about fat and out of shape. That’s it…. That is all America is offering perfectly healthy and successful men if they are 5’6″ or shorter. You can get by if you are 5’7″ tall (you just have to build one hell of a body and wear shoes with thick bottoms for added inches). Really, the only option a man at 5’6″ or less has is to get a really ugly worn out American women, or start looking outside the US for none American, none brainwashed women. Remember, it’s not American’s women fault, it’s all the different types of media in America painting the image that taller men are better. Fact is, every man is flesh and bone and there is no superman. US women say “greater security” with a tall men, but that’s BS. If I was a robber and wanted to rob a US woman, it doesn’t matter if she was with a man 7 foot tall weighing 500lbs. If I drop a bullet in his forehead, he’s dead!! “Greater security” is an illusion and further BS America is spitting out to women. I have also seen taller men get their butt kicked in fist fights with a shorter man. Really, skeletal size has nothing to do with anything because it’s just that…. Skeletal size! Kind of retarded if you think about it…blowing a man off because his skeletal size isn’t a certain size, wow. American women will always feel shamed in public with a shorter man, because America has convinced them that women taller than the man looks bad. I know I will be long dead and will not get to see what’s going to happened to America women in the far future, but they will get theirs too. You see, a lot of “Pedestal Men” are getting tired of America women ways. If they lose those men, then they will have no men and then they will get a taste of their own medicine. I wish I could live to see that day. A lot of straight men are going gay because of this dating game BS in America. Some shorter men have even killed themselves because life wasn’t worth living to them. Some have changed their sex. Sometimes I feel this is a plot set up by the leaders of America in order to cut down on the number of babies born each year, because we are over populated as it is. Jobs are tight because of it. One thing we can say, America can’t blame the short men for anything when it comes to bad relationships, single parent mothers, home wreckers, the dating game and bad divorce rate in America. “Pedestal Men” and brainwashed American women are doing it all!

  9. Justin Says:

    I am a 5’6″ male who lives in the central United States. When I was growing up, I was always the shortest male in my class, but it was such a non-issue that I was almost oblivious to my short stature. Even when I graduated high school, my height difference didn’t bother me at all. As a matter of fact, I never even acknowledged the fact that I was the shortest male in my large group of friends. I was completely happy with my height.
    A couple years after my high school graduation, I was engaged to my girlfriend who I had been dating for four years. Everything seemed fine between us until she started talking about how weird she felt about going out in public with me since I was a couple inches shorter than her. She loved to wear high heels, and I never complained about it, but she stopped wearing them because she towered over me when she did. Over time I could see that our height difference really bothered her. She started talking about her concern that our future children might be short like me, and she really didn’t want her children to be “cursed” with this shortness. I thought we had a perfect relationship, but things started falling apart. A year or so into our engagement, I found out she was cheating on me with another man… a man who happened to be about 6’4″ or so. Needless to say, I ended the relationship since she obviously didn’t want to be in a relationship with me.
    A year or so after that, I entered the dating scene again. I went to many different places to meet women, but I started to notice that women naturally gravitated toward taller men. As the years progressed, I realized just how hard I had to work to get a date. If I went to a bar or a club, I felt like I was literally invisible to women. There were so many people who just didn’t take me seriously. I even had girls laugh at me and make jokes about my height. I had to go the extra mile just to have a chance for a girl to get to know me. My height never bothered me… until it started to affect my happiness. I was desperate for advice, so I contacted a friend of mine who was a girl. I asked her about her opinion about “short guys”. She was very sweet about it, but she said that most women are naturally attracted to taller men. She admitted to me that she would much rather be with a tall man than a shorter man. Since then I have spoken to many women about the height issue, and almost all of them agree that tall men are just more desirable. Even other men have more respect for taller men. There are many articles on this subject, so I’ll spare you the details, but I know this to be true. I certainly don’t blame women for preferring taller men. I realize that it is a programmed preference, and it is very difficult to overcome such strong programming by evolution and society.
    I am tolerant of most people, but I have a huge problem with people who make fun of others for their physical traits. I had a boss at my last job who constantly made fun of me for my height. He was 6’3″, and he made sure I never forgot that. He called me “Danny DeVito” and said I was going to be alone for the rest of my life. He was a very, very hateful and hurtful person.
    As the years went by, the issue of my height started to bother me. I tried to stay confident and not let it get to me, but whenever somebody brought up the subject of my height, it really started to hurt.
    I am 32 years old now, and I haven’t dated for five years. I am athletic, and I’m not a bad looking guy, but rejection hurts so bad that I just can’t deal with it anymore.
    I have chosen to pursue my career and physical fitness instead of having a family. I drive a beautiful new Cadillac CTS, I have a large home, and I am a marathon runner. If it wasn’t for my short stature, I may have never sworn off dating… and I wouldn’t have devoted myself to my business and money. Unfortunately, no matter how much money I make, I still have a huge void in my life. I’m alone, and I’m not happy.
    Maybe someday I’ll find the courage to start dating again, but there’s no way to undo the damage that has been done by insensitive, hurtful people.
    Anyone who says that short guys aren’t treated differently is an incredibly ignorant person. My height never bothered me… until other people made it into an issue.

    The only thing I ask from people is that they respect me as a person, and realize that making fun of someone for something they cannot change is very hurtful.

  10. Peg Says:

    Thanks for your story, Justin. I’m not sure I agree with your friend that “most women are naturally attracted to taller men”. Naturally? I think you’re the one who’s right: it’s programmed. And unlike you, I DO blame women, and men, for not rising above their programming. Because, I totally get what you say — “there’s no way to undo the damage that has been done by insensitive, hurtful people”. That’s exactly why I DO blame people for being so stupid, insensitive, and hurtful. And I’d much rather see men like you ‘call’ shallow women on their preferences than get lengthening surgery. That said, isn’t the average height of women in N.A. 5’4″?

  11. Justin Says:

    Hi Peg, thanks for your reply! I have heard that the average height of women in the U.S. is somewhere between 5’4″ and 5’6″. I live in Columbia, Missouri (a college town of about 120,000 people) and there are some really tall girls in this town. I don’t think it’s just my imagination… it’s just strange, lol. As far as judging others by height and appearance… yep, it’s definitely a programmed behavior. It’s in the media: movies, television, music, pop culture, sports, etc… It really is very sad that so many people initially judge others primarily by their outward appearance. That being said, there are still many wonderful people like yourself who look beyond cultural bios and get to know people for their character traits such as intelligence, morals, dreams, desires, and so on. Unfortunately, it seems very difficult to find those people. I also realize that young women (and older women) in the U.S. are judged by equally harsh superficial cultural standards, and it breaks my heart. There is so much peer pressure for young girls to look like the cover of “Teen” magazine, that they think if they don’t measure up to Hollywood’s standards for physical appearance they’re not pretty enough to find a boyfriend. It’s very sad.
    I dated a girl for a while who was very self conscious about her breast size. It bothered her so much that she started saving money to have an augmentation performed. I told her that it was completely up to her whether or not she had the surgery done, but I loved her exactly the way she was… and she was beautiful to me.
    At one point in my life, I actually considered leg-lengthening surgery, but the longer I thought about it the less I liked the idea. I want to be with someone who loves me for exactly who I am. I don’t expect others to change their appearance for me, so I’m not going to change my appearance for someone to accept me.
    By reading the previous posts by other people, it’s easy to tell that this is a very sensitive topic for many people. I’m really glad that there is a forum for us to talk about it so we can share our experiences and ideas. It’s a very good way to encourage others and find encouragement for ourselves! Thank you for your posts!

  12. perrito Says:

    This is what short men must deal with, especially in the dating world. To claim that short women have anywhere near the same problem is ridiculous.

    “Men under 5’8 god don’t love you”

    “I still think short guys should get arrested” It goes on and on like that, but you get the idea.

    “Short guys should just disappear. Ya’ll are of no use to us”

    “Short Guys Make Me Angry, Why The F**k Haven’t You Grown Yet!!”

    “All men should be tall, who would really want a short man”

    “Sorry but I don’t consider short guys real guys”

    “guys under 6 feet disturb me” (btw, over 85% of the US adult male population is under 6′)

    “Anything below 5ft 10 is unacceptable! short men should be sent to live on a remote island so we can prevent further breeding”

    “Short guys should not exist”

    “Why do guys under 5’10 even exist?”

    “Short guys make me laugh , like you’re not a man if you’re under 6′ft”

    “Short men have no purpose in life”

    “Short men are a plague on the world”

    “Short men who think highly of themselves is the most annoying thing”

    “Officially decided no short men in my wedding”

  13. perrito Says:

    Last bit of my post was cut off. Here’s the link.

    What I posted was only a small bit. It goes on and on like that,

  14. ptittle Says:

    you’re in the ‘wrong’ dating world. if a woman judges you by your height, she’s an airhead. run the other way. unless you’re looking for an airhead. or are one yourself.

  15. Anonymous Says:

    women HATE short men. i have noticed this my whole life. they don’t just dislike them, they are openly disgusted and repulsed by them. women will date fat men, blind men, and even disabled men before they date a short man. and NOTHING can compensate for being short, not even money. if you’re a man under 5’6, you will never, ever, EVER get laid. period. you may as well just accept that you will be alone forever or kill yourself now to save yourself the pain.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    Anonymous, why do you think that is?

  17. Roy Says:

    “I stand by my suggestion that being shorter than most men is as problematic for women as it is for short men”

    You can stand by it but it’s wrong, women look down on short men in more ways than one – especially as potential dates – you can call these women idiots but they are the vast majority and we have to live in the world the way it IS, not the way you think it should be.

  18. Peg Says:

    Roy, I should’ve been clearer. I maintain that in our society, in which respect and authority is accorded by height, height is more problematic for women than it is for men. And that is because on average women are shorter than men. So the average woman is shorter than most men and half of the women; hence, she will be accorded less respect/authority by about 75% of the people she meets. The average man, however, is shorter than only half of the men; hence, he will be accorded less respect/authority by only 25% of the people he meets. So height is more of a problem for more women.

    However, in the narrow context of dating in Canada, the U.S., and possibly several or most European countries, which seems to be your focus, the relatively short man will be at a disadvantage only if he is shorter than about 5’4″ (the average height of women).

    And I reiterate it’s a problem only if you’re wanting to be ‘looked up to’ metaphorically speaking — by idiot women who do that according to whether or not they can do so physically speaking.

    I was recently in the company of a man who mentioned several times his being on the small side; to be honest, his height didn’t even register consciously until the third time he’d said it. And then, I realized that I’d actually liked being able to look him in the eye instead of having to ‘look up to’ him (when I have to do that physically to a person, man or woman, I have to keep ‘fighting’ not to do that in other respects); it made it that much easier to see him as an equal and not some ‘overlord’ I constantly had to one, prove myself against and two, prove him unworthy of that rank.

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